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    Re: Help... BP has her right eye is bulging

    Quote Originally Posted by apple2 View Post
    First, a question:

    Do the workers at the shelter specialize in reptiles, or are they mainly dog and cat people?

    Second, the main reason it is inadvisable to leave your bp in water overnight is because they might drown. Could you swim for 5 hours straight?

    Third, nobody is trying to attack you. Some of the comments may seem blunt, and often are, but everybody here is working towards the same goal: The swift and complete recovery of your BP.

    It's fine if you don't want to try the ideas listed here. I can think of a couple that I wouldn't try with my snakes if they had stuck eye caps. I'm not going to mention them and start a war, but they are there.

    Lastly, I hope your BP recovers. My snakes are part of my family too, and I would feel really bad if anything happened to one of them.

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    Rescue facilities - not animal shelters...

    I didn't make her swim for 5 hours... she had something in there is keep her above water....

    Listen in the end I have done what I can to smooth this over... when you start off a post with something about dog & cat shelters... your questioning my intelligence... or I'm questioning yours... I wasn't referring to "Shelters" I was referring to Rescues, like reptile and snake rescues....In the end she did ok all night long... and now I am packing her up to go take her to get help...

    The whole purpose of this thread was missed... We live in an area without many specialist, so I was bouncing ideas off of people on here in hopes that it would give me some type of starting point for our vets here... I've made many calls... hopefully, I've found one that knows enough... I appreciate the people who did help... but I won't ever do this again... In the end I really hope she will make it...

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    Re: Help... BP has her right eye is bulging

    Quote Originally Posted by aimin4strz View Post
    We did not add anything to the water, just half a log for her to rest on. During the night she did crap in the water.
    I'd like to emphasize that this is no way an attack on the OP following advice they were given, but to those that are surprised that the snake had issues from soaking, note that she was soaking in feces for some part of that five hours, which could certainly fast-track an infection if there is damage to her eye or eyes.

    To the OP - I know it can be hard to interpret tone on an internet forum, but please bear in mind that we are on this forum because we care about the animals, just as you care for yours. We have all made mistakes, even from good-intentioned advice. There is a multitude of people on this forum that I have learned valuable information from without even posting my questions. I hope you choose to keep us updated on her condition and don't jump to judgement out of context on the statements posted.
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    Re: Help... BP has her right eye is bulging

    Quote Originally Posted by Domepiece View Post
    I have one female that will soak in her bowl for a week straight during breeding season.
    Problem is, that snake is doing it of her own accord. The snake in question this time was forced to soak overnight. It's the same difference as you going for a 3 hour swim, and someone forcing you to stay in the pool for 3 hours.
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    Re: Help... BP has her right eye is bulging

    Quote Originally Posted by aimin4strz View Post
    Rescue facilities - not animal shelters...

    I didn't make her swim for 5 hours... she had something in there is keep her above water....

    Listen in the end I have done what I can to smooth this over... when you start off a post with something about dog & cat shelters... your questioning my intelligence... or I'm questioning yours... I wasn't referring to "Shelters" I was referring to Rescues, like reptile and snake rescues....In the end she did ok all night long... and now I am packing her up to go take her to get help...

    The whole purpose of this thread was missed... We live in an area without many specialist, so I was bouncing ideas off of people on here in hopes that it would give me some type of starting point for our vets here... I've made many calls... hopefully, I've found one that knows enough... I appreciate the people who did help... but I won't ever do this again... In the end I really hope she will make it...
    Please read the whole post. There was no question of your intelligence, though you seem to be getting quite huffy towards the people trying to help you.
    When I took my snake to the vet, the vet was primarily a "dog and cat" vet. This is why the question was asked, I think, because often up here in the pacific northwest people who see exotics specialize in dogs/cats, not snakes. It's hard to find a specialized herp vet up here.
    Any rescue up here probably takes their snake to the vet themselves. You should ask this "rescue" where they take the snakes. As you said once before, you don't know them from a hole in the ground, right? Question their care techniques, who they see, what they do. Your snake is the one who this all pertains to; and your snake is the one who cannot talk or ask for help or complain about things. Please ask questions for your snake!
    Nobody, not a single person here, has insulted you, questioned your intelligence, or anything of the like. We as a forum have been nothing but kind to you, respectful, and gave the best answers we could. We cannot diagnose a snake via the internet; therefore, we cannot treat or tell YOU how to treat the snake, via the internet. We did the best we could.
    You remind me of how I once felt when I was cornered by some less than polite people on the internet, and bashed and made to feel like an idiot, when I knew I wasn't. I can tell you nobody who has posted here is like that, and nobody is cornering you. You are like many other pet owners; you made a mistake. This is the reason vet school takes YEARS to finish, because animals of any type are a complex creature to treat in medical terms. They can't speak, they are difficult to read.
    We always say when someone makes a mistake that others learn from it. This does not mean we are making an example of you, but using the situation itself as an example. We will never say, "You remember (insert your name here) and how she messed up?" We will say, "Do you remember how incorrect information led to trauma to a snake's eye?" Or something similar, whatever turns out to be wrong with the snake. Only with learning from other people's mistakes can we correctly learn how to care for reptiles. We didn't learn how to care for them and treat them overnight. It took years, YEARS to learn proper care techniques and treatments for injuries and such.
    Please do not get angry with us, we are trying to help.
    As for something skiploder said, I never recommend anything for retained eyecaps other than perhaps soaking a pillowcase and letting the snake slither through it. This will remove, at the very least, the top layer of eye caps on a snake's eyes. And in this manner, you do not risk injury to the snake by handling it and peeling at the eyes, and the snake cannot injure itself in a soft pillowcase. And if it doesn't work the first time you do it, wait a day or two and maybe try again.
    It is difficult to tell if a snake has retained their eye caps or not. This is why I always check my snake's sheds after they shed--I look for the tail tip, nose part, and eye caps. If it's not there, I check them thoroughly and run them through a wet towel or do the pillowcase trick for eyecaps and nose.
    Soaking for 20 minutes is good. Soaking for 5 hours is bad. It's like if you go for a 5 hour swim of your own accord, or someone forces you to swim for 5 hours. One of those two is going to be very uncomfortable.
    The people who have given you advice (apart from myself, as I am no expert and am going only off what others have so graciously shared with me) are experts in caring for their animals. But even they too started at one point knowing nothing, and they had to learn. They likely learned from other people sharing knowledge with them, in person but still. Other people have to share the knowledge for new keepers to learn.
    If nothing else, the good health of these people's animals should stand for their ability and knowledge to care for animals. A hole in the ground wouldn't have tons of snakes all in pristine condition; a hole in the ground wouldn't care enough to be sharing their thoughts with you. That, here, is the difference.
    As for a rescue of any kind, they take in sick animals some times, and therefore you cannot judge them based on the health of their animals, because they didn't raise all of the animals themselves.
    Again, ask questions for your snake, who cannot talk for itself.
    I think I read that you live in Idaho? I live in Washington state, just near the Idaho border. If you need help, please let me know and perhaps I could send you something helpful in the mail, or we could meet up if you're driving nearby to get the snake some help. I don't have much, but a comfortable hide for your snake, some cage cleaner for herps, some water bowls, paper towels--whatever I can do to help. You need to change your snake's bedding daily and wipe down and practically sterilize that whole tank. Whatever I can do to help, please let me know, and I will try. I don't have much money, and only 5 snakes, and I'm certainly no expert. But I will do what I can. Keeping the snake comfortable can't hurt, so let me know if you want some cage cleaner or a hide or paper towels for it. I'll help where i can.
    Don't beat yourself up. The only thing you can do now is look to the future and promise this won't happen again while a snake is under your supervision, and that you'redoing all you can for this snake--as it sounds like you are.
    good luck to you and your snake.
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    Re: Help... BP has her right eye is bulging

    Quote Originally Posted by shelliebear View Post
    Problem is, that snake is doing it of her own accord. The snake in question this time was forced to soak overnight. It's the same difference as you going for a 3 hour swim, and someone forcing you to stay in the pool for 3 hours.
    I know that, me and the op were kind of getting off subject about ball pythons being soakers or not liking to soak, (on their own). I would never force a snake to soak overnight and never have. Also comparing a snake soaking in a shallow tub of water and forcing a person to swim for 3 hours is not even comparable or on the same level.
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    Re: Help... BP has her right eye is bulging

    Quote Originally Posted by aimin4strz View Post
    The whole purpose of this thread was missed... We live in an area without many specialist, so I was bouncing ideas off of people on here in hopes that it would give me some type of starting point for our vets here... I've made many calls... hopefully, I've found one that knows enough... I appreciate the people who did help... but I won't ever do this again... In the end I really hope she will make it...
    First and most importantly, I do hope your BP recovers and thrives.

    The one who's missed the point here is you, and I'm sorry for that. You say you came here to bounce ideas, yet you became very defensive when those ideas challenged your previous actions, or did not fit into a mold you are currently comfortable with. The beauty of a forum like this is that you can take the ideas you like, toss the ones you don't think you need, and apply what you learn. It is unfortunate that pride of authorship and the need to defend what in reality are often small sample size observations, gets in the way. It is sad that you think you won't be able to use the resource in the future.
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    Re: Help... BP has her right eye is bulging

    Quote Originally Posted by shelliebear View Post
    Problem is, that snake is doing it of her own accord. The snake in question this time was forced to soak overnight. It's the same difference as you going for a 3 hour swim, and someone forcing you to stay in the pool for 3 hours.
    Seriously?? Forced?? How do you know what my snake wants... I have had her for quite some time... I know her temprament... I have a decent idea of what she likes and dislikes... I don't get that feeling from her.. but thanks for assuming...

    You are all making this bigger than what it is... She is fine... They aspirated the the space she is out of surgery and doing fine... I have to give her antibiotic injections 2x a day and she has antibiotic drops for her eyes. The vet didn't disagree with anything I had done... she actually suggested that I should continue soaking her for an hour or two each day... She is home looks very comfortable moving around just fine and the dr. even suggested that we try to feed her today to see if she is interested...

    All I can think of is how ridiculous this has become... You all can continue to tell me I made bad choices.. but it's doesn't fix the problem... It would be helpful if you stopped targeting and became more helpful because I thought that was the purpose of a forum like this... If you don't have something respectful and helpful then don't bother... but I think we have received all the help we are going to get from this forum.... This was such a bad decision to come here... Thanks for making me feel like the worst person in the world I appreciate it!

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    Re: Help... BP has her right eye is bulging

    Quote Originally Posted by shelliebear View Post
    Please read the whole post. There was no question of your intelligence, though you seem to be getting quite huffy towards the people trying to help you.
    When I took my snake to the vet, the vet was primarily a "dog and cat" vet. This is why the question was asked, I think, because often up here in the pacific northwest people who see exotics specialize in dogs/cats, not snakes. It's hard to find a specialized herp vet up here.
    Any rescue up here probably takes their snake to the vet themselves. You should ask this "rescue" where they take the snakes. As you said once before, you don't know them from a hole in the ground, right? Question their care techniques, who they see, what they do. Your snake is the one who this all pertains to; and your snake is the one who cannot talk or ask for help or complain about things. Please ask questions for your snake!
    Nobody, not a single person here, has insulted you, questioned your intelligence, or anything of the like. We as a forum have been nothing but kind to you, respectful, and gave the best answers we could. We cannot diagnose a snake via the internet; therefore, we cannot treat or tell YOU how to treat the snake, via the internet. We did the best we could.
    You remind me of how I once felt when I was cornered by some less than polite people on the internet, and bashed and made to feel like an idiot, when I knew I wasn't. I can tell you nobody who has posted here is like that, and nobody is cornering you. You are like many other pet owners; you made a mistake. This is the reason vet school takes YEARS to finish, because animals of any type are a complex creature to treat in medical terms. They can't speak, they are difficult to read.
    We always say when someone makes a mistake that others learn from it. This does not mean we are making an example of you, but using the situation itself as an example. We will never say, "You remember (insert your name here) and how she messed up?" We will say, "Do you remember how incorrect information led to trauma to a snake's eye?" Or something similar, whatever turns out to be wrong with the snake. Only with learning from other people's mistakes can we correctly learn how to care for reptiles. We didn't learn how to care for them and treat them overnight. It took years, YEARS to learn proper care techniques and treatments for injuries and such.
    Please do not get angry with us, we are trying to help.
    As for something skiploder said, I never recommend anything for retained eyecaps other than perhaps soaking a pillowcase and letting the snake slither through it. This will remove, at the very least, the top layer of eye caps on a snake's eyes. And in this manner, you do not risk injury to the snake by handling it and peeling at the eyes, and the snake cannot injure itself in a soft pillowcase. And if it doesn't work the first time you do it, wait a day or two and maybe try again.
    It is difficult to tell if a snake has retained their eye caps or not. This is why I always check my snake's sheds after they shed--I look for the tail tip, nose part, and eye caps. If it's not there, I check them thoroughly and run them through a wet towel or do the pillowcase trick for eyecaps and nose.
    Soaking for 20 minutes is good. Soaking for 5 hours is bad. It's like if you go for a 5 hour swim of your own accord, or someone forces you to swim for 5 hours. One of those two is going to be very uncomfortable.
    The people who have given you advice (apart from myself, as I am no expert and am going only off what others have so graciously shared with me) are experts in caring for their animals. But even they too started at one point knowing nothing, and they had to learn. They likely learned from other people sharing knowledge with them, in person but still. Other people have to share the knowledge for new keepers to learn.
    If nothing else, the good health of these people's animals should stand for their ability and knowledge to care for animals. A hole in the ground wouldn't have tons of snakes all in pristine condition; a hole in the ground wouldn't care enough to be sharing their thoughts with you. That, here, is the difference.
    As for a rescue of any kind, they take in sick animals some times, and therefore you cannot judge them based on the health of their animals, because they didn't raise all of the animals themselves.
    Again, ask questions for your snake, who cannot talk for itself.
    I think I read that you live in Idaho? I live in Washington state, just near the Idaho border. If you need help, please let me know and perhaps I could send you something helpful in the mail, or we could meet up if you're driving nearby to get the snake some help. I don't have much, but a comfortable hide for your snake, some cage cleaner for herps, some water bowls, paper towels--whatever I can do to help. You need to change your snake's bedding daily and wipe down and practically sterilize that whole tank. Whatever I can do to help, please let me know, and I will try. I don't have much money, and only 5 snakes, and I'm certainly no expert. But I will do what I can. Keeping the snake comfortable can't hurt, so let me know if you want some cage cleaner or a hide or paper towels for it. I'll help where i can.
    Don't beat yourself up. The only thing you can do now is look to the future and promise this won't happen again while a snake is under your supervision, and that you'redoing all you can for this snake--as it sounds like you are.
    good luck to you and your snake.
    I understand what your saying... but it's the way it's being said... "Forced"... No offense but if you said to me that I "Forced" my child to do something against there will you are inferring that you don't approve of what I've done... which in turn is an insult... What's done is done... leave it be... You guys keep trying to say no offense but then turn around and in same sentence tear me apart... I don't appreciate it... If you have positive feedback then provide but you if want to tell me what I shouldn't have done vs. what I could do from here on out... I don't wanna hear it... no matter how it's said... It's still respectful! I've done everything I can for her and I will continue... She is my life... I can show you all things that say the eye caps should be removed... I can show you things that state they shouldn't... I believed it was affecting how she would eat... I made a decision in what I thought was the best for her... not everything goes as planned... I apologize for being so stupid! Offended... You better believe it... Try starting off the conversation with... pull her substrate, sanitize the habitat, increase humidity, moderate heat levels... and best of wishes would have been better off... again Thanks! I have no intention of listening to this anymore... I would give anything right now to delete this post...

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    I'm glad to hear that your bp is doing well, and I hope it has a quick recovery.

    Personally I wouldn't try to feed it today. Your bp has been through a lot the last few days, and giving a day or two without being fed shouldn't hurt it.
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