The ball python complex

[kevinb]

So I thought this could be a cool thread to have handy for beginners or anyone really. I will need help from others as I don't know them all, but this thread is for all the different complexes when breeding. I will start with what I know and others can add on to it.

BEL Complex (blue/black eyes)
*combine any of the following for chances of BELs*
-Lesser/Butter
-Mojave
-Russo
-Fire

Yellowbelly complex
*combine any of these with yb to create the "het"*
-Spark (het. puma)
-Het. Highway

Mojave complex
*not sure on real complex but they look so similar I lump them together*
-Mystic (making mystic potions)
-Phantom (making purple passions)


Please feel free to add. I would really like to make this thread a good reference.

Thankyou
Kevin.

[OhhWatALoser]

http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

Blue Eye'd Leucistic Complex
Butter
Mojave
Russo Het Leucistic
Phantom
Mystic
Lesser Platinum
Mocha
Special
Daddy Gene

8 Ball Complex
Cinnamon
Black Pastel

Black Eye'd Leucistic Complex
Fire
Sulfur

Super Stripe Complex
Yellow Belly
Goblin
Orange Belly
Spector
Whirlwind
Het Puma
Het Highway

Piebald Complex
Leopard
Piebald

Albino Complex
Albino
Toffee

[loonunit]

http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

Albino Complex
Albino
Toffee

What? Really? Are there half toffee/half albinos out there? When was this proven?

[Kinra]

You won't get a lucy from breeding a fire to anything that makes a BEL.

Fires and Sulfurs will makes Black Eye Lucies. I don't know if there are others.

[loonunit]

The BLACK eyed leucistic complex is completely separate from the BLUE eyed leucistic complex. If you breed a lesser or a mojave to a fire, you'll just get a mojave/lesser fire, not a white snake. Very nice, but different genes.

BLUE eyed:
mojave
lesser/butter
mystic/phantom
special (crystal)
russo hets
mocha

BLACK eyed:
fire
sulphur
(I have a feeling there's at least one more I'm forgetting)

and you can add Spector to the YB complex.

[OhhWatALoser]

BLACK eyed:
fire
sulphur
(I have a feeling there's at least one more I'm forgetting)

lemonback is suspected to be a part of it, but no one has publicly proved it.

[loonunit]

lemonback is suspected to be a part of it, but no one has publicly proved it.

I think that's the one I was thinking of. Really? It hasn't produced any lucys, or it hasn't produced any lucys in combination with a fire gene?

[OhhWatALoser]

I think that's the one I was thinking of. Really? It hasn't produced any lucys, or it hasn't produced any lucys in combination with a fire gene?

lemonback x lemonblack produced the cleanest black eye'd lucy's id ever seen. No one has publicly done a fire or sulfur to a lemonback though. Pro exotics was the one running with the project and after the fire they had, im not sure how many are out there now, they gotta be pretty rare.

What? Really? Are there half toffee/half albinos out there? When was this proven?

proven a year or two ago, but it was kept pretty hush hush until someone else also produced them, called the toffino, theres a couple threads on it here, this ones got a link with a video for ya http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hlight=toffino

[kevinb]

Thank you for the help. My mistake on the black eyes!

Much appreciating the input and additions.

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[kevinb]

Also, phantoms and mystics don't make all white snakes when bred to those listed under the bel complex so why are they there? Not down playing amyone, just curious...

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