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    punnett square questions about pieds and spiders

    I currently have het piebalds and was wanting to add spiders. I understand how the het piebald punnett squares look and how they work. Could someone show me what a piebald x spider punnett square would look like and what a 100% het piebald x spider would look like? If I understand correctly the piebalds are recessive and the spiders are dominate? These squares would involve the larger configurations instead of the 4 squared punnett correct? I just wasn't sure what that would look like or what percentages would appear from the offspring. Thank you so much for your help!
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    http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wi...h83&female=d91

    This is what the punnett square would look like. As for the babies they would be either look normal or look like a spider.
    “I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form.”Winston Churchill
    1.0 '10 piebald, 0.1 '10 het piebald, 01 '07 het. Piebald
    0.1 '10 lesser, 0.1 '10 albino, 1.0 '11 Black Pastel het. Albino, 0.1 '11 het. Albino, 0.1 '08 het. Albino, 0.1 '10 het. Albino
    0.1 '09 woma, 1.0 '10 Pewter, 0.1 '11 Lesser Bee
    0.1 '10 Super Cinnamon Woma, 0.1 '10 Mojave Spider, 0.1 '11 mojave, 0.1 Super Chocolate
    0.1 '10 Pastel Yellowbelly, 1.0 '11 Pastel Yellowbelly
    1.1 '10 yellowbelly, 0.2 '10 normal
    0.1 '08 Cinnamon, '08 Normal, 0.1 '10 Orange Ghost, 0.1 Black eyed lucy possible yellowbelly
    1.0 '11 Cinnamon Enchi, 1.0 '11 pastave
    0.1 '10 coral albino Boa, '10 1.0 Sunglow boa, 11 0.1 Motley boa
    0.1 '11 Central American hypo boa, 1.0 Central American Motley
    0.1 '11+T Albino Blood, 0.1 '11 poss het. +T Albino Blood

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    Check it out:http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wi...h83&female=d91

    You can see the punnett square there. A Spider X Het Piebald pairing would result in:
    25%Normal
    25%Spider
    25% het. Piebald
    25%Spider het. Piebald

    The problem with this pairing is you will have no way to figure out which normals and which Spiders got the Piebald gene passed to them and which didn't. The only way to tell is to raise them and breed the babies to prove them, which is obviously time and rat consuming and may lead to a big disappointment.
    Last edited by Adam Chandler; 03-05-2011 at 11:11 AM.
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    Re: punnett square questions about pieds and spiders

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonboy4578 View Post
    Beat me to the punch!
    Last edited by Adam Chandler; 03-05-2011 at 11:11 AM.
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    I get lucky once in a while....lol
    “I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form.”Winston Churchill
    1.0 '10 piebald, 0.1 '10 het piebald, 01 '07 het. Piebald
    0.1 '10 lesser, 0.1 '10 albino, 1.0 '11 Black Pastel het. Albino, 0.1 '11 het. Albino, 0.1 '08 het. Albino, 0.1 '10 het. Albino
    0.1 '09 woma, 1.0 '10 Pewter, 0.1 '11 Lesser Bee
    0.1 '10 Super Cinnamon Woma, 0.1 '10 Mojave Spider, 0.1 '11 mojave, 0.1 Super Chocolate
    0.1 '10 Pastel Yellowbelly, 1.0 '11 Pastel Yellowbelly
    1.1 '10 yellowbelly, 0.2 '10 normal
    0.1 '08 Cinnamon, '08 Normal, 0.1 '10 Orange Ghost, 0.1 Black eyed lucy possible yellowbelly
    1.0 '11 Cinnamon Enchi, 1.0 '11 pastave
    0.1 '10 coral albino Boa, '10 1.0 Sunglow boa, 11 0.1 Motley boa
    0.1 '11 Central American hypo boa, 1.0 Central American Motley
    0.1 '11+T Albino Blood, 0.1 '11 poss het. +T Albino Blood

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    Re: punnett square questions about pieds and spiders

    Well shoot. How do I make a piebald spider then? A spider with the white piebald blotches? I've seen photos of them.
    Thanks everyone for jumping on answering my question so quickly. I am sitting here thinking about my next reptile show purchase and where my future plans are going.
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    Take a spider and a pied, breed them, you get 50% het pieds, 50% spider het pieds

    spider het pied back to the pied gives you 25% spider pied, 25% pied, 25% spider het pied, 25% het pied.

    you could buy a spider het pied and breed it to your het pied and have a 1/8 chance of getting a spider pied.

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    Re: punnett square questions about pieds and spiders

    Quote Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser View Post
    Take a spider and a pied, breed them, you get 50% het pieds, 50% spider het pieds

    spider het pied back to the pied gives you 25% spider pied, 25% pied, 25% spider het pied, 25% het pied.

    you could buy a spider het pied and breed it to your het pied and have a 1/8 chance of getting a spider pied.
    Thank you so much! That was just the info I was looking for!
    Everyone is so nice and helpful here
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    The Piebald Spider AKA The Spied is a very awesome morph. There are a number of ways of making one but you have to remember in order to make a animal that expresses the Piebald morph both parents have to be at least het for Pied.

    I am currently attempting to make a Spied from a male Pied to female Spider het for Pied (http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...66#post1518866) paring. Although they are still a few years away from breeding size><

    or you could pair up a male Spider het Pied to some Pied girls either way if you use the Spider het Pied X Pied combo your odds for each egg are:
    25%Het Piebald
    25%Piebald
    25%Spider Het Piebald
    25%Spied!

    Whatever way you choose good luck! In my humble opinion the Spied is one of the most beautiful and interesting morphs out there.
    http://www.roussisreptiles.com/image..._spider/4L.jpg
    Last edited by Adam Chandler; 03-05-2011 at 12:15 PM. Reason: spelling fail!
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    Re: punnett square questions about pieds and spiders

    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by lusciousdragon View Post
    Well shoot. How do I make a piebald spider then? A spider with the white piebald blotches? I've seen photos of them.
    Thanks everyone for jumping on answering my question so quickly. I am sitting here thinking about my next reptile show purchase and where my future plans are going.
    Just to double check something.

    This is what a spied looks like.

    http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/spied/

    Your description make me think you are picturing something else?


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