The ball python complex

So I thought this could be a cool thread to have handy for beginners or anyone really. I will need help from others as I don't know them all, but this thread is for all the different complexes when breeding. I will start with what I know and others can add on to it.

BEL Complex (blue/black eyes)
*combine any of the following for chances of BELs*
-Lesser/Butter
-Mojave
-Russo
-Fire

Yellowbelly complex
*combine any of these with yb to create the "het"*
-Spark (het. puma)
-Het. Highway

Mojave complex
*not sure on real complex but they look so similar I lump them together*
-Mystic (making mystic potions)
-Phantom (making purple passions)


Please feel free to add. I would really like to make this thread a good reference.

Thankyou
Kevin.

http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

Blue Eye'd Leucistic Complex
Butter
Mojave
Russo Het Leucistic
Phantom
Mystic
Lesser Platinum
Mocha
Special
Daddy Gene

8 Ball Complex
Cinnamon
Black Pastel

Black Eye'd Leucistic Complex
Fire
Sulfur

Super Stripe Complex
Yellow Belly
Goblin
Orange Belly
Spector
Whirlwind
Het Puma
Het Highway

Piebald Complex
Leopard
Piebald

Albino Complex
Albino
Toffee

You won't get a lucy from breeding a fire to anything that makes a BEL.

Fires and Sulfurs will makes Black Eye Lucies. I don't know if there are others.

The BLACK eyed leucistic complex is completely separate from the BLUE eyed leucistic complex. If you breed a lesser or a mojave to a fire, you'll just get a mojave/lesser fire, not a white snake. Very nice, but different genes.

BLUE eyed:
mojave
lesser/butter
mystic/phantom
special (crystal)
russo hets
mocha

BLACK eyed:
fire
sulphur
(I have a feeling there's at least one more I'm forgetting)

and you can add Spector to the YB complex.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

BLACK eyed:
fire
sulphur
(I have a feeling there's at least one more I'm forgetting)

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lemonback is suspected to be a part of it, but no one has publicly proved it.

Thank you for the help. My mistake on the black eyes!

Much appreciating the input and additions.

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Also, phantoms and mystics don't make all white snakes when bred to those listed under the bel complex so why are they there? Not down playing amyone, just curious...

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Would someone simplify this complexity please?

Starting with: What's a complex?

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Originally Posted by kevinb

Also, phantoms and mystics don't make all white snakes when bred to those listed under the bel complex so why are they there? Not down playing amyone, just curious...

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I'm not completely familiar with all of the phantom and mystic combos, but I know that a mojave X mystic combo is called a mystic potion and is more of of a purple/gray color.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

Would someone simplify this complexity please?

Starting with: What's a complex?

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Here is a link that will help explain it: http://www.owalreptiles.com/articles...cs.php#complex